Cinesamples 🎻 Musio 1 for $149 USD is Here!

[cclarry]

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Musio 1 for $149!

 

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[GoncaloL]

From 11/11 to 12/10

149$ perpetual Musio 1 license

49$ first year sub

The lower thats ever been… the amount of content for this price is insane.

(i think thats so low that im worried about this platform)

• This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by GoncaloL.
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[GoncaloL]

Oh Larry posted it already.

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[cclarry]

This doesn’t begin until 11/25…

I posted the sale but for some reason the forum didn’t post it.

EDIT:

The Cinesamples email said 11/25 but the Musio Email says 11/11

I think they need to get it together!

EDIT #2:  My post is up…but it wasn’t showing a few minutes ago…

Anyways…LOL

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[antler]

Possibly what they mean is Musio is discounted from 11 Nov, while the traditional Cinesamples Kontakt libraries are discounted from 25 Nov?

[cclarry]

On antler said

Possibly what they mean is Musio is discounted from 11 Nov, while the traditional Cinesamples Kontakt libraries are discounted from 25 Nov?

No…they were both the same, advertising Musio 1 for $149

[peter]

This is a really compelling price for Musio and I’ve heard so many positive things about it — aside from Mike Greene’s attacks on Cinesamples insinuating they’re on the verge of going under — that it’s going to be hard not to bite on this one just based on Piano in Blue and the Tina Guo libraries.

I’d love to hear from current owners of this. I know Cinesamples makes superb Kontakt libraries,  that’s without question. Some of the best there are. But how are these libraries with the Musio player? Do the Piano in Blue library — which I’m completely in love with, BTW —  sound and play great in the Musio version? Same with the Tina Guo library and others. The only reason I never bought the Guo library was it has so much reverb baked in, but it otherwise is beautiful.

I don’t think I’m going to delete this because we have a decent dialog going. It’s not like any of us have a realistic chance of beating cclarry to post a deal anyhow! Hahaha. Come on Larry, give the rest of us a pass and let this one stand. You still get credit for reporting the deal first. Your position as the forum MVP and 🐐 has never been in question.  If we do a HOF, yours would be the first picture hanging in it. I’m going to merge the two threads in a bit.

Your friend who keeps the beat. I suppose I'm also the chef at this place.

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[Teebacca]

On peter said

This is a really compelling price for Musio and I’ve heard so many positive things about it — aside from Mike Greene’s attacks on Cinesamples insinuating they’re on the verge of going under — that it’s going to be hard not to bite on this one just based on Piano in Blue and the Tina Guo libraries.

I’d love to hear from current owners of this. I know Cinesamples makes superb Kontakt libraries,  that’s without question. Some of the best there are. But how are these libraries with the Musio player? Do the Piano in Blue library — which I’m completely in love with, BTW —  sound and play great in the Musio version? Same with the Tina Guo library and others. The only reason I never bought the Guo library was it has so much reverb baked in, but it otherwise is beautiful.

I don’t think I’m going to delete this because we have a decent dialog going. It’s not like any of us have a realistic chance of beating cclarry to post a deal anyhow! Hahaha. Come on Larry, give the rest of us a pass and let this one stand. You still get credit for reporting the deal first. Your position as the forum MVP and 🐐 has never been in question.  If we do a HOF, yours would be the first picture hanging in it. I’m going to merge the two threads in a bit.

Your friend who keeps the beat.

DISCLOSURE: I’ve advised more than 3 dozen sample and plugin developers on branding and marketing strategy. I’ve never been paid to make posts, they reflect my sincere opinions, and I’ve never been an influencer.

Hey Peter, i have had Musio since the very beginning and love it. Here’s are some pros and cons for me:

1. The file size; while I don’t know of the top of my head the number of gb, it’s much smaller compared to other kontakt libraries. I can keep it all on my local HD without it getting uncomfortable

2. While you do sacrifice some tweakability such as (currently) not being able to mix different room mics, the quality of each recorded instrument is good imo and you do at least get the ability to tweak FX like reverb and decay for most instruments. Of course you can also make any changes to the sound outside of the vst plugin which i prefer anyway. Room mics are apparently coming soon still (eyeroll)

3. You can make 16 output instrument instances, which for me as someone with a massive production template; it always opens in seconds.

4. I will say, some legato instruments perform a little funky to me, but as someone who has the kontakt version of cinestrings it’s honestly not a huge change for that library specifically, imo. I personally love the Guo Cello library in Musio and use it on everything. That one is probably the best legato wise in Musio, and post production no one even has to know what i went through to get it to sound more realistic anyway lol

5. The variety of instruments is the biggest bang for your Buck out there. I am using instruments that i never knew existed or would have ever thought of buying or downloading.

6. customer support has always been super helpful

7. As an early adopter, i am stuck with the hope that they will release lots of great stuff in the future. It sure is taking a looong time for these guys to put something new out.

While I’m not going saying musio is the last thing you’ll ever need, for someone like me who doesn’t do this for a living, who runs a tight budget, and has aspirations of making/producing music that has more elaborate orchestration (without having to invest in spitfire libs & additional HD’s) it’s just what i needed.

 

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[cclarry]

Prices haven’t changed…but it’s still early

[peter]

MUSIO 1 PERPETUAL LICENSE FOR $149 US

Okay, guys, I’m not even sure I set this up correctly — I’m waiting for Plugin Boutique’s affiliate manager to get back to me, but LinkedMusicians has just joined their affiliate program, so you can purchase at the same prices but if you use an affiliate link (like, hopefully the one below), we’ll get a percentage of the sale that can go towards paying for this site. I’m not certain that Musio qualifies, so I’ll update this when I hear back from PiB, but Plugin Boutique has Musio 1 perpetual license for $149 US — the Black Friday price via the below link:

https://www.pluginboutique.com/products/11429?a_aid=66fd59ee09bb9

Your friend who keeps the beat. I suppose I'm also the chef at this place.

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[psionx]

I just found out about Musio and it looks very interesting.

How does it compare to the instrument libraries that come with Komplete 14 Standard? Is there a lot of overlaping?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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[Fleer]

I guess I should jump at this, but I already have many of these libs for Kontakt.
And also, is Musio going to last? I read they were in some heavy weather.

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[GoncaloL]

To me that is the question. Will it last?

i have Musio 1 and i think its great, but the price modeling scares me a bit as for the viability of the product.

And it is not because of the rumors, but common sense tbh.

if people buy all that great content for 149$  what will it be their expectations for musio 2? The amount of new content necessary for people to match their expectations based on Musio 1 would be not viable.. even if you consider double that 149$ price.

And the problem with that is that if they struggle to match customers expectations ahead and cant make Musio 2 to work .. what would be the future for the platform as a whole (including Musio 1)

that Musio 1 at 149$ is a steal for what it is that is inquestionable IMO but the price model is in itself a bit scary.

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[peter]

On GoncaloL said

To me that is the question. Will it last?

i have Musio 1 and i think its great, but the price modeling scares me a bit as for the viability of the product.

And it is not because of the rumors, but common sense tbh.

if people buy all that great content for 149$  what will it be their expectations for musio 2? The amount of new content necessary for people to match their expectations based on Musio 1 would be not viable.. even if you consider double that 149$ price.

And the problem with that is that if they struggle to match customers expectations ahead and cant make Musio 2 to work .. what would be the future for the platform as a whole (including Musio 1)

that Musio 1 at 149$ is a steal for what it is that is inquestionable IMO but the price model is in itself a bit scary.

Mike Greene (VI Control), once again, is once again behind another damaging rumor targeting one of his competitors in the orchestral library space that has led the way with deep discounting. Undoubtedly, Cinesamples isn’t going to be able to pull off a Musio 2 with anywhere near the same level of libraries. It’s just too costly to fund going into the studio, hiring the musicians and engineers and turning around to sell it for that low of a price. It makes a lot more sense for older libraries that have long paid back the cost of production. But Musio 1 might be rationalized from a strategy perspective as penetraion pricing; the entry way that gets consumers hooked into the ecosystem. No, the next generation of libraries will not be as inexpensive and how long will it take to create another 80 sample libraries? But being scared? I wouldn’t be scared.

Greene, who I’ve talked to about this area, has a vested interest in seeing 8Dio and Cinesamples fail — and he was very blunt about it publicly on his site. He feels that they’re destroying the industry by making it too hard for him to make the same kind of profit he has historically enjoyed. Bringing prices down so dramatically means he’s going to have to sell A LOT more licenses to bring in the same kind of net profit he’s been accustomed to making. That means he’s going to have to get A LOT better at marketing (he’s a former mid size corporate marketing VP). As a strategist, I think from a competitive standpoint there are points that Greene makes that contain elements of truth, but he mixes them with fabrications that reflect his not too difficult to detect ulterior motives. Yes, as he’s pointed out, the rumor mill has been claiming that Cinesamples may have let some staff go. They could be reducing staff to make the company more lean — to ensure it is efficient. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the business is on the verge of going under, as Greene insinuates. I haven’t heard rumors that they’ve laid off their entire staff off, FTR. So who knows. But Greene serially enjoys using his platform to create speculation that can harm his competitors. Personally, he’s tried to talk me out of consulting to a competitor (8Dio) just because he wanted to harm them and posted things he privately told me he knew to be untrue. So, while he has a big platform, more than half a million visitors each month, we need to not take what he’s claiming as fact, but consider his motivations and long history of attacking his competitors and deleting posts from people who know facts as well as people who simply disagree with him.

I agree with your statement that this strategy does set expectations that they’re unlikely to match and I think that Cinesamples should do some expectation setting, in that regard. Again, clearly, they’re using penetration pricing — extremely low pricing to grab as much market share as they can before their competitors lower prices close to this. It’s a well-established strategy. They’re super aggressive about grabbing market share and they feel a sense of urgency in doing that. And that makes sense. (I have consulted in this space, and there is a dramatic readjustment in pricing currently going on). So the strategy is very low to grab market share — to get new customers aboard the Musio ecosystem — but of course, they can sustain pricing new libraries this low. It’s simply not sustainable. I do think they should have messaged differently — for the reason you stated: it sets up unrealistic market / customer expectations. At some point, they’re absolutely going to need to make corrections. Musio 2, whenever it comes — if it comes — will certainly not offer this many libraries for this price. It could happen now because most of those libraries have already made a profit. It’s different when a developer introduces a new library and spends say the first four months of paying back the costs to make the library (fixed costs, like the studio, rentals, etc. as opposed to variable costs like royalties for musicians and engineers, if applicable).

That said, I think they have such a compelling offer, all they need to do is stay in business to have what arguably is the best deal in the sample development world at this time. Tell me of another developer that can match it? Cinesamples has an impeccable reputation as a developer. Granted, that’s on the Kontakt platform, but nonetheless, there has been a lot of very positive word of mouth / mouse about their Musio platform. As a consumer, I find it very compelling and am almost certainly going to be buying Musio 1. I have yet to hear from anyone who owns it stating that they’re disappointed. If they even did a good job with Piano in Blue and two of the Tina Guo libraries alone, I’d consider this a win. And it’s so much more than that. I think this is something to be excited about. They’ve really been investing in the platform — in improvements. And, outside of Mike Greene, the word from developers is that they have a very talented team.

Your friend who keeps the beat. I suppose I'm also the chef at this place.

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[GoncaloL]

I agree with everything you said, and dont see any problem in buying Musio 1 for what it is, even if there will never be Musio 2, as long as they manage to convey the message that they are able to future proof the platform as it is. (This is me that bought Musio 1 for a great price, there were people that paid a 999$ lifetime license for that same exact content, if i remember correctly, and for those, there are for sure, a lot of discomfort with all the uncertainty)

From a business perspective one would think that a stale platform would not be viable, but they have their kontakt income stream.

A roadmap and some clear perpective of what they pretend to do with the platform would really help a bunch of people jump on board.

I hope they do because Musio 1 is an absolute steal for the price.

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[bselack]

Count me in as one of the “suckers” that bought the lifetime (at $499) looking at what I thought was from a trusted company and feel I was scammed by them. Never any talk of Musio 2, no mics they promised, no communication  and the price keeps going down. If I had some kind of legal recourse, I would take it.

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[Brian]

I too took the $499 deal, but I don’t feel cheated at all.  They have come through with everything they promised at the time, and they are not out of business yet, but if they fail, I understood when I bought in that that was a risk.  It seems that the standard plug-in pricing model is to open high and cut over time, so I expect that.  Some folks like U-He and Xfer Records have been able to set and hold a fixed price, so good for them.

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[Kirean]

On bselack said

Count me in as one of the “suckers” that bought the lifetime (at $499) looking at what I thought was from a trusted company and feel I was scammed by them. Never any talk of Musio 2, no mics they promised, no communication  and the price keeps going down. If I had some kind of legal recourse, I would take it.

I saw someone post snippets from their Discord saying that Musio 1 is now complete and next year’s instruments will be in Musio 2.

[antler]

On bselack said

Count me in as one of the “suckers” that bought the lifetime (at $499) looking at what I thought was from a trusted company and feel I was scammed by them. Never any talk of Musio 2, no mics they promised, no communication  and the price keeps going down. If I had some kind of legal recourse, I would take it.

I believe Musio technically works like a subscription service regardless of the licence you have. If you’re that unhappy about it, you could try writing to them to ask them to cancel your lifetime licence and refund you. They may or may not do so, but you could try if it would make you feel better.

[Teebacca]

On Brian said

I too took the $499 deal, but I don’t feel cheated at all.  They have come through with everything they promised at the time, and they are not out of business yet, but if they fail, I understood when I bought in that that was a risk.  It seems that the standard plug-in pricing model is to open high and cut over time, so I expect that.  Some folks like U-He and Xfer Records have been able to set and hold a fixed price, so good for them.

Same, really was a gamble but value is in the eye of the beholder here right—do i wish there was more for the money spent? Sure no doubt. But honestly I’m still banking on whatever is next even though it’s taking forever. Spitfire bbc or ew Hollywood Orchestra don’t necessarily offer the same thing in terms of future update potential, especially at the file size. And for someone like me who wasn’t necessarily a “tweaker” before buying Musio: its simplicity was perfect for what i needed at the time. I am still learning how to more finely adjust things like ADSR settings, room size, mic levels, etc; things you might find in a typical kontakt library, but those things are not so important to me that i would be willing to sacrifice more disk space, latency, time and money just to have more control. As long as the source recording sounds good to me I’ll figure out how to fit it in to my production, after i bounce it out. After all my own priority is to compose music that sounds good, if i use the wrong reverb or mic placement i could care less, as long as it sounds good. I can definitely see how anyone can feel pretty dumb getting the intro deal at this point. I try not to see it that way since i can’t go back; it may sound like Im convincing myself but I think Musio is great, it’s not Native Access based, not ilok, not cumbersome to use, and there is good variety with hopefully more on the horizon.

[peter]

On bselack said

Count me in as one of the “suckers” that bought the lifetime (at $499) looking at what I thought was from a trusted company and feel I was scammed by them. Never any talk of Musio 2, no mics they promised, no communication  and the price keeps going down. If I had some kind of legal recourse, I would take it.

I understand why you are worried, but I’m as pragmatic as they get and I would hit the pause button on that worry. Right now, Cinesamples is expanding their distribution channels, that looks a lot like a company with strong growth plans. Yes, they’re a small developer, so it’s not a surprise to me that their communications aren’t what they should be. But I have held off buying from them because I knew that one of the Mikes exited the company right around the time they rolled out Musio and that made me concerned they might be in financial trouble. I can’t see their balance sheet, but I think there’s still reason to believe that more growth is ahead for Musio.

 

 

Your friend who keeps the beat. I suppose I'm also the chef at this place.

[Kirean]

On peter said

I can’t see their balance sheet, but I think there’s still reason to believe that more growth is ahead for Musio.

I’ve noticed that ~99% of plugin companies based in US don’t feature any kind of company ID numbers (and relatively non-existent contact details). Is there some kind of a public registry that can be searched for LCCs, incs and other companies (as there is in many EU countries)?

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