APD Deal: Symphonic Production Bundle by EastWest Sounds – 82% Off for $129

[Frank]

Symphonic Production Bundle by EastWest Sounds

EPIC Orchestral Power-Up! 82% OFF EastWest Symphonic Bundle

Calling all composers, producers, and sound designers! Elevate your music to epic heights with this mind-blowing deal on the EastWest Symphonic Production Bundle.

Score the sounds of a full symphony orchestra and choir for an UNREAL 82% OFF!

Symphonic Orchestra: Experience the breathtaking realism and expressiveness of a world-class orchestra at your fingertips.
Symphonic Choirs: Add soaring vocals and spine-tingling harmonies to your compositions.
Combined value: $698 | Your price: $129

Don’t miss out on this incredible opportunity to unleash your creativity and bring your musical visions to life with the rich, cinematic sounds of the EastWest Symphonic Production Bundle.

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[peter]

Frank wrote:

Symphonic Production Bundle by EastWest Sounds

EPIC Orchestral Power-Up! 82% OFF EastWest Symphonic Bundle Calling all composers, producers, and sound designers! Elevate your music to epic heights with this mind-blowing deal on the EastWest Symphonic Production Bundle. Score the sounds of a full symphony orchestra and choir for an UNREAL 82% OFF! Symphonic Orchestra: Experience the breathtaking realism and expressiveness of a world-class orchestra at your fingertips. Symphonic Choirs: Add soaring vocals and spine-tingling harmonies to your compositions. Combined value: $698 | Your price: $129 Don’t miss out on this incredible opportunity to unleash your creativity and bring your musical visions to life with the rich, cinematic sounds of the EastWest Symphonic Production Bundle.

TL’ DR VERSION

As much as this may sound hard to believe considering that Larry is my friend and I started this community, I’ve been trying to watch my spending and I’ve been doing a great job. But this deal you posted, it may break me.

THE EXTENDED VERSION, WITH SOME INSIGHTS ON THE INDUSTRY AND COMPETITIVE/PRICING TRENDS

I’d shared on Cakewalk Forums last year how there’s disruption happening in the sample development and plugin industry and it is causing a freak out among some small developers, like the one who owns VI -Control who has turned his site into a platform to launch a number of attacks, even crossing the line into defamation, on competitor developers who are deep discounting (last year,  he was attacking 8Dio and a couple of other developers, this year, his target is Cinesamples and he’s been using similar tactics and adding claims that Cinesamples is on the verge of bankruptcy — the Kontakt developer community has been becoming increasingly — and rightfully concerned about this behavior — and I know first hand, that it’s related to his anger that his competitors are cutting prices; and the fact is, these changes definitely mean that the market is resetting their expectations on pricing, and the profit margins are getting smaller; the answer should never be engaging in defamation of competitors). Once a developer discounts this heavily it trains the market that this is the REAL VALUE of a library or plugin and consumers then become trained to wait and only purchase when these very deep discounts occur. Once multiple developers have deep discounted similar category products, it does result in consumers resetting pricing expectations, and that is going on right now for orchestral libraries and plugin effects.

As sample library and plugin users, there’s never been a better time, financially and quality-wise. And most of the libraries being severely discounted are older ones, but they’re still often very high quality.

This one appeals to me. I may break down and get it But Black Friday isn’t far away and I’m sure there will be other crazy good deals.I wish EastWest did this for the Soul and Hollywood background vocals libraries, those sound so cool to me. I think it would be a blast to use them in songs. There’s no way I would be up to the challenge of a sophisticated orchestral piece. But it’s so compelling at this price, and these guys, of course, are super talented. What to do…. What to do…

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[Fleer]

Although old, these libraries are still very good on my view, especially the separates like the harp.

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[peter]

fleer wrote:

Although old, these libraries are still very good on my view, especially the separates like the harp.

I didn’t even realize that they were a much older library before you mentioned it. Heck, it was an EastWest library that alone made me want to attempt playing again, the Fab Four library. Although I ended up basically getting sample libraries of most of those instruments with a lot more detail from various developers. I am a sucker for that Beatles sound. And, come to think of it, your avatar elsewhere was the Vox logo. I loved seeing that! I still dream of a sample library developer creating something that has a George Martin string section vibe to it (i.e.,, Eleanor Rigby strings). I actually — long ago — used to try to persuade Greg to do a Beatle-esque background vocal library with doos, ahhs, oohs, etc. I even offered to fund it / invest in it. I later pitched it to several other developers, no takers. So the next best thing, IMO, are the Soul and Hollywood background vocalist libraries from EastWest. If they did a Fab Four background vocals library — that would be an instant buy. Even writing it makes me wish it were a thing. I used to chat with Ken Scott (Beatles engineer) every so often, as we have a mutual industry friend, and I should have pitched the idea of getting him involved. I could still reach out to him, I suppose. Does anyone else like this idea?

If so, I could take it to some developers and talk to Ken about it. I think I’ll do another thread about it this week. I would still love to see that library idea come to life.

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[GoncaloL]

Peter, for that Eleanor Rigby string section vibe i think that Spitfire has a library where they try to recreat that, at least from what they say .

have you looked into their Abbey Road Two library?

check this video

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[peter]

GoncaloL wrote:

Peter, for that Eleanor Rigby string section vibe i think that Spitfire has a library where they try to recreat that, at least from what they say . have you looked into their Abbey Road Two library? check this video

Huh?! I own probably a dozen Spitfire libraries (the cheap stuff — Originals, including the two Abbey Road pianos). I had thought that the Abbey Road string series were just larger string sections. I can’t believe this quartet exists and I completely missed it. Yes, this appears to be my dream library I’ve wanted since I was a teenager. The massive downside is that it’s simply out of my budget and I can’t justify it at the moment (that said after I just spent a bunch of money – far more than the price of this library on this site; but that basically eliminated by sample library budget for the year; although I’m certainly going to be picking up the super cheap stuff for $30 USD or under that’s deep discounted).

Thanks for sharing this. Maybe if it goes on sale for Black Friday, I’ll ask my wife for this as my Christmas present. Dead serious. I think that’s it. I want this for Christmas! I’m not even kidding. You just found my Christmas gift. That’s my plan. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention.

I’d love to hear from anyone who owns the library to share how playable it is.

https://www.spitfireaudio.com/abbey-road-two-iconic-strings

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[Fleer]

I would looooove another Beatles library. Fab Four is delicious.

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[peter]

fleer wrote:

I would looooove another Beatles library. Fab Four is delicious.

I strongly considered buying it Fab Four. I meant to follow Ken Scott back then and ended up sending him a friend request and hitting it off. I should have pitched him the Fab Four background vocals idea! I have been responsible for more than a dozen sample libraries coming about from doing that — the formula has worked for me to use my marketing skills to get the libraries I personally want! If I were just bright enough to have negotiated royalties!

In my quest for Beatle-eque gear I have most of the guitars covered with Orange Tree Samples guitars, the Hofner and Rick basses, a bunch of Wurly libraries, the M-Tron, Mello and other tron vsts and libraries, AR 60s Drums and similar kits for SD3 and AD2, Spitfre’s Mrs. Mills and Jangle Box Pianos… I would love stuff like the electric harpsichord (I think that was from Baldwin). @fleer I’m still shocked that I didn’t realize that Spitfire created an Abbey Road Quintet — which is the library I’ve wanted so much for decades. Were you aware — or should I say, do you own it?

Even though it’s not the Beatles sounds, a dev that has his own unique vibe and often as a Jon Brion-esque vibe, SoundDust has a bunch of libraries that have an awesome retro vibe that I love. I’m a sucker for retro sounds.

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[peter]

fleer wrote:

I would looooove another Beatles library. Fab Four is delicious.

I strongly considered buying Fab Four. I meant to follow Ken Scott back then and ended up sending him a friend request and hitting it off. I should have pitched him the Fab Four background vocals idea! I have been responsible for more than a dozen sample libraries coming about from doing that — the formula has worked for me to use my marketing skills to get the libraries I personally want! If I were just bright enough to have negotiated royalties!

In my quest for Beatle-eque gear I have most of the guitars covered with Orange Tree Samples guitars, the Hofner and Rick basses, a bunch of Wurly libraries, the M-Tron, Mello and other tron vsts and libraries, AR 60s Drums and similar kits for SD3 and AD2, Spitfre’s Mrs. Mills and Jangle Box Pianos… I would love stuff like the electric harpsichord (I think that was from Baldwin). @fleer I’m still shocked that I didn’t realize that Spitfire created an Abbey Road Quintet — which is the library I’ve wanted so much for decades. Were you aware — or should I say, do you own it?

Even though it’s not the Beatles sounds, a dev that has his own unique vibe and often as a Jon Brion-esque vibe, SoundDust has a bunch of libraries that have an awesome retro vibe that I love. I’m a sucker for retro sounds.

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[Fleer]

Thanks Peter, didn’t know about the Spitfire Abbey Road Quintet!

[fretman]

On Fleer said

Although old, these libraries are still very good on my view, especially the separates like the harp.

I used their harp in one project but had to replace it. When playing the piece something wasn’t quite right, but I couldn’t place my finger on it. When I muted the harp it seemed like a veil was lifted and I could hear the detail in the other instruments that was missing. It turns out the EastWest harp is noisy – hissy noise. It may be OK lost in a large ensemble, but in the sparse projects I usually do, it was unusable. There are lots of others that work better for me. It’s on my “do not use” list.

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[pseudopop]

I think I’ll wait for a good deal on Spitfire Symphony Orchestra. That currently seems to be the best bang for the buck and have the least of things to complain about.

Symphonic Orchestra was originally released in 2003 and Symphonic Choirs in 2005, whereas Spitfire Symphony Orchestra was originally released in 2017 (if I’m not mistaken) and re-released earlier this year.

I think I have enough choirs to safely skip EWQL’s offering.

[Kirean]

On pseudopop said

I think I’ll wait for a good deal on Spitfire Symphony Orchestra. That currently seems to be the best bang for the buck and have the least of things to complain about.

 

I might skip that entirely. Not because of its quality, but because I didn’t jump on the price glitch some months back and buying it for more seems wrong.

[peter]

Kirean wrote:

On pseudopop said

I think I’ll wait for a good deal on Spitfire Symphony Orchestra. That currently seems to be the best bang for the buck and have the least of things to complain about.

PETER’S UNPOPULAR OPINION OF THE DAY
I wouldn’t censor it if you guys posted it here, but to be completely open, I don’t feel it represents the best of mankind when I see people being opportunists taking advantage of someone’s mistake / misfortune. It’s certainly not the right thing to do. It’s kind of like stealing because no one is looking.  I feel similarly when people post codes that are only intended for paying subscribers — technically that is software piracy.

Now no companies in this industry are Fortune 500 kind of big, but Spitfire is one of the biggest in its industry and that might lead folks to saying — they’re big who cares. But look at it this way, they’re big enough that you know that the owner is not running their e-commerce site, that it’s an employee. And that employee may be accountable for that glitch and that could hurt that employee’s career.

From giving advice to more than three dozen developers in this field, mostly when they were just starting, I’ve gotten to know a lot of them (not Spitfire) and while I am a user of these products and pay like everybody else, I empathize with anyone and don’t really enjoy seeing people capitalizing on others’ misfortune. When these glitches happen to small developers, they stop everything to control the bleeding. And they get put into a spot  where if they cancel those sales they could be bad-mouthed on the forums and their reputations damaged.

Anyhow, I realize that no one may agree with me (hence the title), but I just wanted to weigh in with how I see things. We can agree to disagree. In the end, we all need to make the decisions that we can live with.

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[Kirean]

It wasn’t a glitch glitch. Just that they had a voucher that worked alongside with the sale for a bit. And then another day, it didn’t work anymore. Nothing crazy or fancy.

Had it been a clear pricing error where you get something for obviously too low of a price, then yeah. Questionable. Or a glitch where you get things free that you shouldn’t. That’s iffy as hell. Knowingly and clearly abusing a system can indeed be icky as heck.

(Luckily) the big ones often can and have features in place where they can cancel a purchase in case it’s clearly an error & not intended.

Companies also shouldn’t be too surprised when/if people do try to jump at great deals.

Having been part of smaller scale eCommerce here and there along with some other web service bullcrap throughout the years, I’m also of the opinion that when you start asking for people’s money (or information) it puts up certain expectations and requirements on you (and the bigger you are, the more should be expected from you). Be it data security, running a site that works and especially doesn’t screw up the user and their finances (due to glitches.) etc. etc. The users of the site have to be able to rely on the website and the information/functionality that’s available to them.

Browsing plugins for the past year and a half or so, it baffles me how, compared to other fields where I’m actively doing purchases, audio plugin sellers seem to have a lot more problems with their sites and sales. If you’re pushing forward sales etc. without testing or putting up sales when you’re not in the office to see how things start out… well, sometimes you wonder that maybe someone ought to launch them when there’s a chance to respond in a timely manner in case errors start showing up.

As a consumer however, companies are not your friends. Consumers shouldn’t feel like they “owe” anything to companies. Which doesn’t exclude the fact that some companies do need to be championed more than others (within reason) if they really treat their consumers and users great & with respect, show great moral standing etc. and bring great value to the consumer without trying to f them over at every chance (and in turn, that quite often builds loyalty and consumers are more inclined to give them money more spontaneously, even if they know one might get things cheaper down the line.)

And on a personal level, if I’ve gotten something a bit more cheaper I’ve usually spent a lot more in the long run. Sometimes you need a gentle push to go from “eh, maybe another time” to “it’s noodles for a month”. But for sales, I look a the lowest price that the product has been available (excluding crazy glitches) and then value the future deals based on that baseline. More often than not, the product needs to go as low or lower to make me want to click the buy now button.

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[GoncaloL]

With that new HARVESTMOON coupon.

This bundle drops to $109.65

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