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    Brian posted in the group Open Mic (Open Discussion)

    • 9 months, 1 week ago

    MUSIC or LYRICS ?

    I was recently vacationing with extended family at a lake house in the Olympic mountains. This debate arose during a game of Kubb (lot of fun BTW). My son-in-law believes that lyrics are more important than music in a song. His brother and I took the other side.

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      Brian
      9 months, 1 week ago

      oops- there was supposed to be a poll. I guess the link killed it. Newb error!

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      joegyork
      9 months, 1 week ago

      Great question @Brian For me it is definitely the music – much of the music I love is purely instrumental and I consider that it reaches parts that words cannot reach. However I am also a lover of folk music and in that genre (excluding instrumentals obviously!) the words can be as, or more, important.

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      Peter DeLegge
      9 months, 1 week ago

      It depends on the song. Ideally a song has both. But then, there are so many song great songs with meaningless lyrics that we all love. Songs that have it all are ideal and rare. Songs that have stood the test of time with meaingless lyrics or lyrics about a subject that really is not very meaningful include:

      “I Am the Walrus” — it’s legendary, ” Cars” (Gary Numan), a long lasting hit. “De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da” by The Police; a huge hit and a style a must play on The Police reunion tour. “Babara Ann” The Beach Boys; one of their biggest songs. “Tutti Fruit”i by Little Richard; the song he was most famous for. “Black Hole Sun” by Soundgarden (Chris Cornell said the lyrics were just rhymes, although I do suspect they could be a shot at the falseness of American church culture and he didn’t want to deal with blowback from admitting it). “Rocket Man” (Elton John), imaginative and dumb, but I love the song. “Take Me to the Pilot” (Eltron John); Bernie Taupin stated the lyrics were pure nonsense; Elton John said he never had any idea what the song meant. “This is a Call” by Dave Grohl / Foo Fighter, completely nonesense, just plain dumb. But the song still rocks and is catchy.

      Consider popular songs with lyrics that almost no listeners paid attention to, like “Stranglehold” by Ted Nugent. It’s about a guy who is a violent domestic abuser (clearly, the lyrics are pro domestic abuse and Nugent’s interviews make light of domestic abuse against women) and arson (setting her home on fire, and apparently, killing her in the process). It’s actually a pretty horrifying point of view when you look at the lyrics.

      Personally, I love when a song has great lyrics and a great melody. But it’s rare that any pop song has great lyrics. A great melody can make the simplest — even the dumbest or most meaningless lyrics — stay in your head.

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        MagicRuss
        9 months ago

        RE: Stranglehold, Norwegian wood also ends with a bit of arson.

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        MagicRuss
        9 months ago

        I’ll also put in that there’s no shortage of songs out there which would be pointless without the lyrics. “Positively 4th Street” and “Sometime Around Midnight” being some good examples.

        On the other hand, “Apache” needs no lyrics.

        Then of course there are the songs that are only popular because people misunderstand the lyrics like “Every Breath You Take”, or “Bright Future in Sales”

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      Brian
      9 months, 1 week ago

      I think most instrument players are going to side with “Music” over lyrics. Good point about the “nonsense lyrics” @Peter– I had not thought of that. In support of lyrics, we agreed that “Rap” is all about lyrics. Same can be said for any novelty song (Weird Al, etc) that is reusing a melody. Many places I have seen the quote to the effect: “Music without lyrics is still music. Lyrics without music is a poem.”

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