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probably need some more: KVR, Fender Studio One, Avid Pro Tools, Home Theater, AVS 🙂

also, i would probably exclude things like “off-topic”, and “coffee house” etc sections since by design they’re meant to be a free for all.

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ditto on the no need to win for me, i think my drives are nearly full with samples and vocal synths LOL. but i do want to say – the low noise, intelligent and thoughtful interactions with people who have a real interest in music and production sets this forum apart.

cheers!

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i have a bunch of 8Dio stuff, and the nice thing is a lot of it can be used in their SoundPaint app vs solely in Kontakt. plus it looks like they’re planning on making more of their catalog available on SP because of the issues with NI… https://8dio.com/blogs/news/soundpaint-%E2%84%A2-vs-native-instrumets

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maybe report the spammer to law enforcement – cyberattacks are illegal as is product misrepresentation, and possibly identity theft…

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thanks, for me, 40+ years of working with giant evil corporations seeking world domination (aka wall street etc) when i say “operations” – i mean as the corporate executive whole, not the folks on the front lines creating the products and maintaining them. 🙂 irresponsible compounding of debt is (in my speak) an “operating issue”.

anyways, i am hoping my few thousand dollar investment in NI and Kontakt platform instruments will be preserved… but i’m somewhat cynical that the same type of people running NI into the ground in the first place, will be able to discern the proper path forward…

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the “New Owner” is legally obligated to honor existing licenses, but you are responsible for proving you own the products.

unless they sell off the IP versus the operating company(s)… for example, if the reason NI is going under is poor operations, then one could wonder if a smart acquisition would be to buy the ops, vs just the IP and re-brand it… or another common one – buy the ops and IP, then resell the IP and dump the ops… thus avoiding potential legal issues for NI if doing it directly… and NI then simply becomes just another innocent instrument provider vs the entire infrastructure…

 

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hmmm, so they’re saying that non-productive holding/shell companies, indiscriminately buying popular companies using leveraged corporate debt instruments, results in unsustainable debt which cannot be repaid to the shareholders? lol, go figure…

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GEOFF DOWNES?

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very cool. i use the original insight all the time and wanted to update to v2 but it was way too much money… problem solved

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just my sense from visting it daily. i don’t really care about the “deals” section, mostly i’m interested in helping folks better use the product, report bugs (rare), or read up on techniques.

don’t really know anything about “larry”. i saw a bunch of spamming back in the day but thought he got banned. he was on my blocked list for years because of the noise.

not surprised about haters. they seem to be everywhere these days. if i have someone hating on me, i block them or call their boss if they persist (everybody serves somebody…).

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interesting AI perspective LOL. the Cakewalk forums are going strong and growing. a number of folks who left are now back under new accounts (partly shame? partly because they got banned a few times? dunno) but it is interesting.

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Saturation knob and Sonar Pro Channel Console emulation for quick and dirty results. a variety of tape emulations from Softube, Wave, and some freebies when going for “tape”. also sometimes the Izotope Neutron has some nice saturation, Izotope Ozone Vintage Tape, and Acon Acoustica has some nice saturation for WAV edits needing some love.

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might be worthwhile to expand the table to clearly show the costs including:

1. purchase price for “perpetual license”
2. monthly subscription price(s) – DAW vs truly optional component and services
3. annual “maintenance / support fee” (if any)
4. version “upgrade fee” (if any)

for example, Studio One dropped all versions except “Pro”, so all users who had artist etc who want the next version have to pay for the “pro” upgrade vs the previous “artist” upgrade (an extra ~$100). and now they’re on v7, but in 5 years will be v10 or v11. each upgrade (assuming they keep the same price – which is not historically how it’s been going) $164 for say 3 upgrades, + the originally $199. is now $691 for a 5 year period (presuming that most SO users want the latest features which will only be available via an upgrade charge). and at some point (usually no more than 6 months after a new version is released, the older version is no longer supported, and so you’re on your own as far as OSes compatibility goes)

so if doing a 5 year analysis on CoO, it’s important to include – what is the least amount someone with no interest in upgrading or having support, vs some % of users who will likely persue upgrades and/or support options over that time. otherwise you don’t have a proper balance against the subscription model which (typically) has this “built-in”…

so the SO pro subscription w/ all the goodies, on an annual cost is $179/yr x 5 years = $895 (oddly the same as Cakewalk subscription) BUT you get all the upgrades on the DAW + upgrades on the goodies + support relative to your OS of choice.

now if you really want expensive, time to include ProTools 🙂

 

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another option is to open your projects and export all MIDI and audio so you have the raw materials to import into a new DAW sometime later. also good idea to create presets for the FX (esp if they’re 3rd party products which will persist). in general, this is a best archive practice regardless of application used… not just a DAW…

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software giant Atlassian company just laid off 150 workers and replaced them AI (Thompson reporting). not sure what their roles were, but i should expect that as less skilled people learn to write decent-enough prompts and accept the (generally poor) quality of the output (and then put that into production) then more skilled people will become rare creatures… (until the bosses have to endure the customer complaints (or in the world of music loss of sales and plays) or, as trends suggest, ignore the peasants)

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long term – if you’re in the business for a livelihood – you’re doomed. the entertainment business has been looking for a way to exploit all the previous works and generate “new” content for as low cost as possible including no commissions, no royalties etc. for, oh, 60 year or so. AI with all the content available to harvest, and some creative prompt writing, will render paid services (besides the prompt writers) to artists and production teams essentially null and void.

short term – become a really good prompt writer.

hobbyist – feel free to use AI. i do (mainly generating performances, not composition – still mainly do composition the hard way).

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i hope Cakewalk Sonar isn’t going to be pulled soon. i have almost 18 starbucks coffees invested over the past 6 months…

lol.

pretty sure people who use CbB will find the free version of Sonar to be quite good, and free. same for Next. the upgrade to free Sonar is easy, free, and effective. 97% of people making the switch agree.

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what’s worse – the developers of Sonar and Next do what they can to produce the products and fix things, and the marketeers seemingly do everything they can to screw it all up.

i would never create a DAW software company without using a subscription model. regardless of the whining, people “subscribe” all the time: TV, Music, Internet, Games, Fishing Licenses, Coffee, UberEats, Appliance Support Agreements, Apartment Rent, Condo / HOA Fees, Swim / Golf / etc Clubs, etc etc etc

consider this: i sell 100K of my $500 perpetual license DAW / year – $5M/year. next up – paying my 8-10 developers, 2 tech writers, 10 support people (offshore of course), 3 marketeers, 2 distribution centers, my forum(s), and maybe even myself. and when the market saturates after 3 years, my license sales are now 2K/year at best. but i still need $5M/year to keep things running.

my users are screaming i’m trying to screw them with subscription pricing which will keep me afloat and advance the software they supposedly “love”. so i’ll just do what a lot of other companies do then – charge for support (including monthly paid amounts, not a subscription!) and major new versions every year (with 3 months before support for previous version is dropped) and you can pay the “upgrade fee” each plus sign up for the new support (monthly paid – not a subscription!) – and voila! no subscriptions! just annual perpetual licenses and support!

now i get the money, each month (monthly pay-it-off, not a subscription!) or year (not a subscription!), i need to keep things going and my users are happy as pigs in you-know-what because they’re not suckered into a subscription plan!

and for those users lamenting that there is no “free version” or that it won’t run on on their linux ipad using mac-vine emulation with the bluetooth speakers without “glitching”, our support team will look into it… LOL

anyways, long story short – I really like the Sonar product (using since 2002 or so), i might not like the owners but i do like the dev and support teams, and by dropping 3 cups of starbucks each month, i can afford it and know that at least (hopefully) the dev and support folks are employed and doing what they love.

 

 

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i think sometimes we attribute “evil” actions / inactions to some ability to scheme… lol. most likely it’s a somple combination of “stoopid” and “more stoopid” combined. having helped giant evil corporations (F100+) attempt to achieve world domination, i can assure you that the majority of those people running things a) simply inherited a good starting position, and b) are as stoopid as the day is long.

meanwhile, i will continue to enjoy my choice of DAW until such a time comes that either me (senility) or the other team (whoever “they” are) become more stoopid…

cheers!

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i just gave up 3 starbucks per month and now have the Bandlab membership in perpetuity… LOL. subscription is the future and everyone will be doing it someday. Studio One “perpetual” license only requires you to buy the next version each year or lose support 3-6 months after that… Pro Tools teters as well Waves…

honestly, i couldn’t be bothered to learn a new DAW and/or replace projects with one when the monthly expense is 1/8th of my online TV viewing… and since i have the light versions of several DAW – i know what works for me or not, and since i have those i also view the forums – and wow! they all have problems – esp with “new features” which seem to have been released without much maturation or testing… usually fixed by 2-3 major version releases… re: $.

anyways, i’m productive every day vs pouting. my 2¢

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i think the next step up would the very expensive and large Toontrack Superior Drummer. or perhaps from Goran – https://library.gorangrooves.com/drumsets-for-beatbuddy/jazz-brushes-drumset/

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the “code” worked but once installed, the installer app, it doesn’t show the plugin until you sign up for a “free trial” (meaning provide them with a credit card), and no guarantee (i can see) that the “free plugin” would remain so if you don’t get the full subscription… so it seems sketchy. uninstalled and removed my account on their web site.

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thanks! i’ll do it that way. i’ll also include some of the thinking or stories behind the songs as well.

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my pro band from the early 90’s – Classix in and around NYC

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